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More on Trackbacks

Yesterday I spent some time implementing the trackback spec in python. I know there are other implementations in python, but I wanted to really understand this stuff. I'll put my implementation up here soon (it's intended for use in Leonardo and other places), but for now I want to record some of the things that it got me thinking about. The key thing I discovered were some inconsistencies in the spec

  • why does the trackback have (uri,excerpt) but the rss response have (link,description)?

  • how extensible is it? I want to put some semantics in my trackback ping ... to tell the target what sort of trackback is coming in (it might not be a blog, it might be an analysis programme, or a formal citation). Thinking this must be a bit of old hat for the semantic web folks, I went off on a bit of a google on trackback and semantics.

Firstly, David Galbraith on permalinks and trackbacks wrote in an undated page (please put the dates on your pages folks):

At a recent tech discussion Mark Nottingham pointed out that the real difference between RSS and RDF (the cornerstone of the semantic web initiative) was that RSS was about lists. On the one hand this is true, however, the term list understates a crucial point about weblogging. Weblogging is designed to deal with nuggets of information that an author creates instead of a page that a publisher publishes. A permalink refers to a unique item, and in terms of the semantic web, indicates a component from which meaning can be extracted.

Ok, this is fine, but I'm not so interested in web logging per se, I'm thinking about links between nuggets that carry information about what sort of link they are (sounds like a candidate for rdf to me already) ...

(As an aside, I found a two year old post about pingback which compared it with trackback. It seems there aren't many active implementations of pingback, but if the concept of trackback without semantics is what you want it would seem simpler to me. Did it catch on? Doesn't seem so!)

I found a useful disscussions of trackback in 2003 here and here. But better, I found this describing exactly what I mean, and a comment stated "How in particular does RDF not work for you as a linking technology"? Which is what I started thinking as I read the trackback spec anyway - it uses RDF for the autodiscovery, why not in the ping itself?

That's a very good question, and is a good place to stop for today. My simple answer is, where is the (extendable) controlled vocabulary which defines the types of triples that would be allowed? I can easily imagine remotelink cites permalink remotelink incorporates permalink remotelink headlines permalink for textural things, but for data, I might want the adjective to be something which is more akin to a pointer to workflow ... hmmm ... but these would be meaningless unless a finite group of folk understood and implemented the words cites, incorporates, headlines

Clearly, at this point there are some more things I need to read up on, including, but not limited to:

by Bryan Lawrence : 2004/12/10 : Categories xml computing ndg (permalink)


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